Here we go again.
KKK! — 8345
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 5950
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5810
Can Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru! help KKK! enjoy its second week in a row atop Harem Hill? Can the three lesser harems really pull off this unprecedented upset over the AT-X shows?
Unfortunately, what an anti-climactic episode for Imouto. With the Miyabi fallout to deal with, our harem lead entrusts cream puff girl with the knowledge that Miyabi might actually be his sister. Whoops, it turns out that cream puff girl had been making those creepy calls all along. Why? ‘Cause they were childhood friends and incest is just a hilarious prank (250)!
Cream puff girl thinks she has a fuzzy memory? Shougo has more than one childhood friend, neither of which he can remember whatsoever. At this point, Miyabi shows up out of nowhere and reveals that she, too, is a childhood friend (250)! How convenient that everyone seems to be a childhood friend of the extremely rich dude… unless you’re a guy. In which case, no homo.
Anyway, the harem lead doesn’t remember a thing ’cause he was conveniently hit by a car in his youth (250). Oh well, two candidates down, but we’re not in the clear yet. Neither girl admits to being the disembodied voice at Shougo’s father’s funeral. The mystery lives on!
That’s all nice and dandy, but other than a shot of cream puff girl in a tub and a couple of saucy fanservice moments (200) at the end of the episode, this week’s Imouto is really just too plot heavy to sustain the utter shittiness it managed to achieve last week. Sure, the double rainbowchildhood friend revelation is dumb, but there was nothing quite like last week’s unrepentant homophobia.
KKK! — 9395
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 5950
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5810
Campione! also puts forth a meek effort.
The fight with the rogue goddess Athena continues, but aside from some not-so-subtle phallic imagery, this episode is mostly just a boring showdown typical of any shounen anime. The story does put forth an uninspired spin on Athena’s origin, which is worth a few points toward the Crown of Shit Harem (100). Regardless, the fight pretty much boils down to the main character attempting to penetrate Athena at all costs.
Here, a million golden penises try to break though the safety of her womb (250). When this attempt fails, the main character clearly needs a longer phallus to get the job done (250):
And when the dust settles, a naked pettanko emerges:
Makes sense (150). That about wraps it up for Campione!
KKK! — 10145
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 5950
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5810
With only incremental additions to KKK!‘s lead, Estetica now steps up to the plate to see what it can do about its current last place standing.
The hero quickly disposes of the giant cock, but he does so by stabbing an equally giant sword through the cock’s throat. This leaves me feeling weird and conflicted (-250). One would expect Estetica to follow up a poor start with some T&A, but not quite. A fight suddenly breaks out between the hero and a surprise Justin Bieber cameo (100).
After a brief dick-measuring contest, the student council president shows up of nowhere and freezes Bieber in a pillar of ice. That was kind of stupid, but I expect more from Estetica (100). If none of this makes any sense, trust me when I say that there isn’t much of story to make any sense of.
Finally, the harem gets back on track for the Crown of Shit Harem when one of the girls stares at herself in the mirror and muses over her ever-growing breasts (150). After jumping into the shower, she decides that she should go underwear shopping. In Japan, everyone talks to themselves out loud, and it just so happens that a certain somebody is listening in on her:
Wow, not only is this scene stupid (250), but it also involves peeping on a poor girl (250). The positioning of the main character’s crotch and the shower head is also quite suggestive and, dare I say, creative (250)! But alas, I must dock the anime points for male nudity (-500). I will not stand for this direct defiance against my heterosexual needs!
The rest of the episode is a bunch of exposition and shady characters scheming in a dark room (50). Yawn. After it’s all said and done, this week’s Estetica musters up a pathetic 150 points.
KKK! — 10145
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5960
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 5950
Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate has never done well in Harem Hill, but after a poor showing from its brethrens, the show must do all it can to maintain KKK!‘s lead.
So what do we get? We get armpit-sniffing, which is a little weird but does nothing to get the heart pumping (50). The show moves on with its election plot, and that always involves a group of people sitting around in a club room talking my ears off. A few yaoi jokes are thrown in for good measure (100 times two), but for the most part, Chocolate feels like… like… a regular anime. *shudder* It just happens to be a very boring and unfunny one too.
Like the dumb air sumo joke that goes on for far too long (50). Or this… whatever this is:
So wacky (50)! In the end, some kids pick on the poor girl, leading us into ‘serious business’ territory, but just when I think Chocolate might actually be intriguing, this happens:
Yes, they stole her panties. Welp, any hopes of taking that subplot seriously just went out the window (250).
KKK! — 10745
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5960
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 5950
Even though none of the KKK! shows did very well this week, they find themselves still up big thanks to Imouto‘s disgusting third episode. Maybe Estetica and Dekinai should just consider teaming up — who knows! Speaking of Dekinai…
Naturally, last week’s villain transfers into the harem lead’s school and class (50 times two). Anime is always full of giant high school academies where all the classes are filled except for one. In any case, even though we just had an episode about big breasts vs. little breasts, we’re going to beat the dead horse again (100), i.e. more gratuitous breast physics and boing sound effects:
What the hell is with Japan and armpits lately? The guy eventually finds himself alone in the girl’s dressing room where the new girl proceeds to give him the full workout (650 in total):
But somehow, his kingdom isn’t rising. What’s going on?! Meanwhile, a fight breaks out on the rooftop, and the hero quickly runs to Lisara’s aid. We get the usual, i.e. two mahou shoujo transformations (300) and Lisara’s clothes disappearing (150). Even though the hero couldn’t get it up for the new girl, however, it works when he gazes at Lisara’s breasts (150):
More like Lisara resists and the new girl doesn’t. I bet the hero can only get it up when the girls are unwilling (350). In any case, his energy skyrockets and he forces Lisara to faceplant into his crotch to “receive” his power (350):
You might naturally assume that a girl wouldn’t like having her face shoved into your crotch, but that’s where you’re wrong! Go ahead and try it. She’ll just blush in complete awe of your manhood. Don’t be a chicken — try it! Just be sure to post a trip report. In the end, Lisara absorbs enough energy to launch an attack that destroys both the monster and the new girl’s clothes (150). Somehow during the fracas, the hero manages to grope her too (350):
So wait — his kingdom didn’t rise for the new girl because he had been groping fake boobs all along?!
Nice try, Dekinai, but I’m sure sexual assault is still your modus operandi (350).
KKK! — 10745
Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai — 8950
Hagure Yuusha no Estetica — 5960
After three hectic weeks, is the momentum slowing down for our harems? Can they not keep the shittiness up? Are there even limits to how much shit anime can pump out at any given time? In any case, Dekinai does manage to put in a solid effort and narrows KKK!‘s lead. Stay tuned for the next installment of Harem Hill.
Our Crown of Shit Harem lesson of the week: Want to meditate but don’t know how? Float upside-down from the ceiling. Don’t forget to be naked too!
Campione:
Oh Dear. At least the story stopped feeling as if it was mounted on-top of a bullet train, but when the pace finally reached a sane level, we get a fest of snooze worthy, predictable and eye rolling Shounen Clinches..
It’s other big failure: failing to draw us into the setting. I blame it’s completely hectic and squeezed initial pacing. It might have made for decent Shounen fare, but it’s rather unimaginative action Shounen Mediocrity, with a battle-harem affixed to the hero, for what it’s worth.
Who is Imouto:
Among the three members of KKK, Imouto is the most stereo-typically Haremish. The MC doesn’t annoy me though, nor do any of the characters yet (except for Miyabi).
I’d have thought you’d have given the two big fanservice scenes at the end more points though.
Chocolate:
It’s definitely knee deep into character drama. Way out of the Harem territory at this stage. The problem is that I’m detecting some of the problems plaguing Angel Beats in this show. (Too many characters, too many ambitions and plot points that I cannot see how they’d fit it into One Cour.)
The risk that it’ll descend into a fanservice harem fest is non-existent now. The big risk is that the plot collapses on itself, and it becomes a huge mess. There are already signs of that strain, like plot threads being left hanging and NEW, One Cour length ones being thrown in as late as the this Episode.
Actually, I’d argue that it’s the best currently among these five shows, for what it’s worth. Then again, that’s not too hard to do. I’d say comparing them to the other two Character Dramas this season like Tari Tari and Kokoro Connect would be fairer, and more illuminating of it’s flaws.
Tari Tari and Kokoro Connect is stronger than Chocolate, (in large part because of a tightly focused cast, and a more appropriately ambitious plot), but I think Chocolate really at least deserves to be compared to those two, rather than these other four shows. Chocolate attempts to deliver character drama, and political intrigue. Are they succeeding? Now, that’s the big question for this show.
Estetica:
Horribly directed. Urgh. We may have our differences in opinion on the premise, but I would agree that this is a shoddily directed, uninspired adaptation that is papered over with a ton of fanservice.
And we have a SELEE Rip off – deliberately so. Sigh.
They really should have done this whole show from Miu’s PoV, IMO. Now, that was somewhat more interesting (though like everything in Esthetica, it feels wasted.)
Dekinai:
Wow. That was brainless. I thought my brain almost rotted at the sheer stupidity of the MC. Indeed, the MC is so stupid and so perverse, that it becomes COMEDY. I don’t think you can accidentally write such a bad character- this got to be deliberate.
And more fanservice. And dere. And a somewhat mildly amusing sub-plot, that seems to be a fair reflection of the non fanservice laden part of the show.
It hasn’t crossed over into Brain Bleach territory, but I’m stockpiling on that stuff, just to be safe.
Shrug, it’s a gut thing.
I really don’t get what people see in Chocolate. The election stuff is delivered without any hint of irony or panache. It’s just all very dry dialogue. The “Koi” part is nonexistent so far. Finally, the drama… there’s like five whole minutes of it, and it ends with a group of girls stealing the victim’s panties. We’re really digging deep into our bag of camp here. If she had hung herself at the end of the episode, I think I would have burst out laughing.
What’s a SELEE? Frank SELEE?
Well, c’mon, he’s just the unrestrained id. He’s a bad character because the id is more complex than a sex-hungry character, but brainless is kind of the point.
SELEE: Evangelion reference:
http://evangelion.wikia.com/wiki/Seele
In part, I’d say Chocolate suffers from a one cour syndrome. It is a unique story, but the main risk is that there’s so many things going on that it’s going to fall upon itself by being too ambitious for it’s One Cour time-limit. Now, so far, the drama works for me, and probably for some others. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this collapses into a confusing mess of plot-points down the road.
I guess it also depends how much you like Character Drama, and whether you have a lower tolerance to it before declaring it melodrama.
But ultimately, I think it’s the uniqueness of the premise when all it’s elements are put together, and what they are trying to do that draws people into Chocolate. Now, are they succeeding? I think opinions differ from people to people. It may be partly a taste preference, pardon the unintentional pun. The Drama may not simply be working for you.
Besides, I have no problems with the relative absence of “Koi”. I think I’ve commented quite sometime back is that what Chocolate needs is More Character Drama and more Electoral Intrigue, and less focus on the quasi-haremish harem aspects. Again, in part, it might be because Rom-coms and Harems are such a saturated field, that it’s hard for another Clannad level Harem to appear.
If anything, there is “Love”. It’s just in the background, with those short Chisato and Satsuki scenes. It isn’t overplayed, it’s quite nicely downplayed, and I think this is to the strength of the show.
But Chocolate is not as bad as this four shows. That’s not a high bar mind you.
Oh, so that’s what it is. It’s been over a decade since I saw NGE.
‘Bad’ is such a vague term. How are we to measure this ‘bad?’ You keep citing the show’s unique premise, but at some point, we have to draw the line between “what it should have been”/”what it can be” and “what it is.”
Well, I think the drama is corny. I think the seriousness has little set-up, then immediately jumps to the extremes. Those are my reasons for why the drama doesn’t work for me. Now, the drama may work for others, but I have seen little explanation to why this is. People simply state that it works for them. I don’t care if people disagree with me, but give me a reason.
Oh the way people — not just you — talk about Clannad tempts me to voice my piece on the show, but alas, I won’t be tricked!
“‘Bad’ is such a vague term. How are we to measure this ‘bad?’”
I’m sure everyone has a different criteria for judging anime, indeed any literature. Certainly, at times, this comes down to a scoring system, but I don’t think I’d go into that.
Now, first up, the first criterion I usually approach a show towards is to look at it’s basic premise. Is it potentially interesting? Can it go somewhere? What does it set out to do? What are it’s aims?
Chocolate has several ambitious aims. Character exploration, Political Intrigue and a Romance Sub-plot all in one cour is a very tall order, especially with a large cast. It immediately grabbed my interest, and I think to begin with, I never saw this show in the light of a harem context. It just didn’t seem like harem to me, even if it smelled of VN to the rafters.
It’s very apparent that, then, Chocolate attempts to sell their audience a drama.
The question then comes down to execution: this is the second part of judging whether anything is rubbish or bunk. Estetica is execrable execution to the utmost, with shoddy directing, and a fest of painful fanservice scenes.
I’ve always approached the entirety of Chocolate taking the opening scene as the real face of chocolate. That’s why the switches to seriousness works for me, I think, because it doesn’t need to justify itself. It’s there in the background, no matter what the light-hearted Slice of Life antics might imply. Another benefit is the fact that these switches to seriousness occur in different, clearly demarcated and transited scenes. I don’t have problems with these dramas occurring outside the club room, if anything, it adds a rather substantive touch to the story – so what if we are not privy to the beginning of the drama?
If anything, its terrifically contrived if all the dramatic plots started right at the beginning of the show. It’s clear there’s a backstory and ongoing life-drama going on here, that we are dropped into in media-res. Is the lack of build up really a problem? I don’t think it’s a matter of build up, it’s rather an introduction to ongoing dramas and personal problem that have already been built up before the plot began. Is this a flaw? Not in itself. In reality, we meet people in Media Res of their life-stories. I have no problems with the aspect of “dropping in” to ongoing character dramas in the show – if anything, it makes it more “realistic” to me. The jump to extremeness occurs because we enter this story in Media res. I have no problems with that , so long as that drama has a believable quality to it.
I don’t see the lack of set-up as a flaw, because we are being introduced to ongoing dramas. I find these dramas potentially interesting, as they are presented, but I don’t judge them as fully developed dramas, but ones we are merely entering. For an introduction to ongoing background drama, and given no more than 2 hours of air-time, I find it very unjust to expect the kind of level of development and set-up you seem to be demanding from it. I judge the dramas by whether it sells itself to me. Do I think that they are hinting at a potentially interesting story, with the Chocolates, the MC’s semi -family like relationship with his club adviser, etc? Yes. Do I think they have the time to do it justice? Honestly speaking no.
The other consideration is that the anime has only One cour to play around with. Look and count the number of dramas they are trying to introduce to us. You’d need two cours to properly tell it. Indeed, you can see it – there are alot of ongoing plot threads simultaneously, and I really don’t think they are going to be able to develop most of it in one Cour. What I do think will happen to Chocolate is that they’ll set up all those interesting potential stories, like Chisato’s obsession with Chocolates, Satsuki’s torturous relationships with her sister, the Financial Aid Student’s story, and run out of time to tell it properly. Truth to be told, I think your criticism might be valid – but only at the end of the cour. There simply isn’t any real time to do more than introduce the dramas in four episodes. Infact, I’m worried that they are setting up too many plots for a One cour anime.
Do I find the character stories interesting? Yes, but we are only being introduced to the Character dramas, and there are so many I personally think Chocolate can’t really cover it all in one cour. Even if they all seem as if they could be rather interesting, as stand-alones, provided the writer is competent.
Now, are the Slice of Life Club antics good? Well, I have to say that at least half of these characters lack depth. The two “monkeys” for example really earn their title. They are one trick moneys, and irritating ones. But here’s the point: The club is mere veneer nothing more.
The real deal are all those ongoing character stories, which I’ve already touched on thoroughly, and the entire Election “myth” plot. Do I find the Election “myth” plot entertaining? Actually, yes. It’s refreshing for one, it isn’t offensively bad, it isn’t terribly carried out, the Election plot has a good direction to it, the strategies reasonable, etc The plot is moving, the plot is followable there, the issues are getting clearer, the premise is unique. To me, that makes Chocolate watchable, and not face-palmable like say uber-rushed Campione where I don’t even know what’s going on half the time. Add to the fact that it isn’t an overused story (come on, when was the last time you read a story about running for a Student Election, or running for election for that matter, especially in the anime medium? ) and to me, Election stands quite strongly at four episodes.
Ultimately, I’m not arguing that the drama and the story over all Kokoro Connect good – Kokoro Connect has the advantage of focusing not only on a small cast herd, but focusing solely on character drama. Chocolate has even less episodes on Kokoro Connect, and focuses on three premises at the same time. There’s no way they are going to cover romance well in one cour on-top of character drama and Election. So, melding the romance as a sub-point in character drama seems like a good adaptation decision here.
But still, I point out to you that cracks are appearing in Chocolate. The dramas are introduced well enough to hook you in (Why the hug? What does the conversation with the sister’s lead? What’s up with Chisato and Chocolates? ) to me, My big fear is that we get all those juicy plot-threads, and they simply get interrupted, or there’s a lack of time to actually even get into them well. So far, for me, the set-up is good – if this was two cours, I would be arguing with you that we should still be accessing Chocolate for it’s potential. With one Cour, I think Chocolate would be a show with just too many ambitions, and too little time to carry it out. it’s not a show with a poor premise, it’s not a show with shallow stories, it’s going to be a show with too many stories, too many premises to divide it’s limited time within.
Perhaps the directors should have smartly cut off some of those drama, and focus narrowly on a single route, though I think their decision to hint at so many ongoing stories is in part an attempt to market the VN- One Cour is merely a 6 and a half hour advertisement for a VN, not a full out adaptation. In that aspect, it is commercially oriented.
Same as Angel Beats – there was nothing wrong with AB’s premise of getting people to move on, nothing wrong except for the HUGE cast load, and one cour to tell their stories. Ouch.
But is it Imouto Mediocre? No. Is it entertaining? This is all very subjective, but my answer is yes, for me.
Is it as bad as Esthetica, with it’s utterly awful directing? Definitely not.
Is it Dekinai? That’s not even a comparison. Dekinai is just stupid, take out the fanservice and it’s a comedy about a derpy idiot and a Sucubus Shikigami. whose comedy lies in it’s stupidity.
Chocolate has it’s share of problems and issues. But I disagree with you firmly that the set-up is bad. And that’s what we are right now at, set up. In Episode 4. In a one cour show. I think you can see where this is going. But I’m enjoying it so far, definitely far more than Imouto.
All I’m saying is that it should stack up against Kokoro Connect and Tari Tari for a fairer comparison. In that respect, it is indeed both more ambitious, and weaker. But for a VN, it’s rather interesting.
As for Clannad – yes, I’d like to see your take on this. No scratch that, that’s overdone, IMO. But the question whether Clannad, regarded popularly as an exemplar of “good” harem actually is bad gives rise to an interesting question
Is the Harem genre irredeemable, and doomed to be terrible intrinsically by it’s premise alone? Can there be a “Great” Harem show, in a field full of Pandering, cliches, and over saturation? .If Clannad is considered a poor show, and it’s supposed to be one of the strongest harems out there, does this suggest that the harem genre is inherently one that lends itself to wish fulfillment and shoddy trashy romance writing? Was the Anime Harem genre the premise that launched a hundred Twilights?(=
Now, that’ll be an interesting topic to ponder.
And that’s one very long essay in response to your question.
For the sake of brevity, I’m not going to respond to your essay point-by-point. If you expected me to, I apologize. In any case, my take away from your comment is that you put a lot of stock into the execution of the plot and the story. That’s not how I evaluate anime or any other artform, so there’s our disconnect right there. When I watch something like Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate, I ask myself what its message is, is it an intriguing message, and, in the end, whether or not the message is stupid. In the first four episode, I fail to see to see an intriguing message. Whether or not the message is stupid or not remains to be seen, but what’s being done doesn’t feel particularly unique or compelling to me.
What should I take away from Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate when it’s all said and done? You say that the show’s ambitious in its attempt to weave multiple narratives together, but none of that matters to me. I want to know what the show is trying to say. That elections are complicated and possibly corrupt? That bullying occurs? That class discrimination occurs? None of this is original, but the crux of storytelling is putting your own unique spin on familiar events.
Yes, I think the ‘Election’ component is boring, but why is it boring? Because the show doesn’t look at it in a way that I find illuminating. Yes, elections are corrupt, and there’s a lot of financial waste in any government body, but what about it? Because lemme tell you, I’ve seen plenty of stories about the electoral process. They may not be anime, but so what? You gotta bring a unique perspective to a premise, not just simply have one. What I see so far is a typical good-guy nipponjin who will try to win an election in a clean way while cracking some light-hearted jokes here and there (like the air sumo thing). That’s a total yawner.
Why do I find the girl’s bullying corny? When I say that the show suddenly swings to the extremes, it isn’t that it’s unrealistic or that I want the story to be completely serious and dramatic all the time. It’s that the show has nothing new to say about these topics without resorting to shocking images like stealing a girl’s panties. It isn’t enough to say “Class discrimination is bad and here’s an example.” What about it? Give me a conclusion that isn’t self-apparent. As a result, the drama feels shallow.
In short, we have two very different views of evaluating stories. To me, a story is meant to entertain, to present a premise and entertain me with it or at least execute it differently or well. It doesn’t matter if it carries an unoriginal message, so long as it entertains.
Now, thought provoking stories are another matter altogether. But let me be honest with you – I don’t think anime is a very fertile field for thought provoking stories. I don’t watch it for any intellectual sustenance, I watch it to be entertained for sufficiently well done story-writing, to experience interesting premises even if they don’t carry Aesop on their backs.
Especially when it comes to animes such as Chocolate. Right from the start, I merely ask of such animes (and the likes of Tari Tari, Natusro Kiseki, etc) to be a piece of fictitious entertainment, so long as plotting is competently executed.
Fundamentally, I apply different standards to different genres even within the same art-forms. My expectations for different art-forms differ – if I wanted meaningful intellectual messages, reading non-fictitious histories, political and economic commentaries and philosophy tend to be more insightful, and to the point.
Ultimately, I agree we have quite different ways at viewing a story, and expect different things from a story.
Hah, don’t twist my words. I never made any mention of “intellectual sustenance” or Aesop. Do I watch Binbougami because I think it’s intellectual? No. I watch it because it’s funny. Nevertheless, you argued that Chocolate should be judged in a better light, so I gave the counter-argument that it is shallow. Is Binbougami shallow too? Probably, but at least it’s funny.
Also,
I don’t draw this dichotomy. Everything has a message, intended or not. Having a message — a compelling one — doesn’t make an anime intellectual. It doesn’t take a whole lot to have something to say, even if it’s accidental. I think it’s kind of sad that when a story does say something interesting, we immediately cordon it off to some pit of “intellectualism.”
And no, I didn’t expect a point to point reply (=. But when you challenge someone to give a comprehensive account of a position he takes ….
No, I don’t condemned intellectualism in stories, I’m usually pleasantly surprised by their presence, but have been frequently surprised. I merely am of the position that such “Intellectualism” is rarer in certain mediums, because of the nature of production in that medium, and commercial considerations.
Yes, every story reflect the preferences and standards and vision of their authors or adapters. But to me, interesting stories don’t need interesting or necessarily radical, or novel messages.
It’s amusing to note that all 10 replies for this edition of the Harem Hill comes from this exchange.
Well, I’ve written before that trying to identify “intellectualism” in shows is a pointless extra step. Why try to categorize the anime when you can just get right down to the core of the matter: what is the anime trying to say?
And now you see why Chocolate bores me.
Yeah, Harem Hill’s popularity is waning. If people aren’t interested in reading it, I can consider dropping it altogether.
Your descriptions of these shows are entertaining, it’s just that harem shows are so terribly written that you can more or less predict what happens in them before you click on this article. I think that’s why the popularity is waning.
Don’t get me wrong. I can imagine why the interest is waning, ’cause my interest have waned too. Writing Harem Hill isn’t what I look forward to every week. It’s just… hey, if interest is really falling, I can just stop doing Harem Hill together and save myself some time on Fri. nights.
I love your commentary it’s hilarious, just everything, you’re awesome XD These shows seem so ridiculous “armpit..and breast” nearly killed me lol and I don’t think i’ll ever get over him calling his penis his “kingdom” (wtf? XD)
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